Michael

What’s your evidence? Liberal media telling you what to believe with weak, one-sided arguments and some cherry-picked facts sprinkled in to twist the narrative?

There very likely would be concrete evidence if Bernie contested the primaries, but he didn’t. He endorsed the winners and went the extra mile for them. There were essentially no investigations. The DNC argued in court that they don’t have an obligation to follow their rules and the court found that they were unfair to voters, which is a gross understatement.

Whatever, have a good one. This is my last response. Call it cope, but I’m not crying over Bernie’s loss. My general point was that progressives have popular policies before they get ratfucked from all sides, are smeared, are said to be unelectable, and receive waves of negative (if not hostile) coverage to shape opinion - if they receive coverage at all. Again, you are free to disagree and believe that partisan media bubbles are reflective of reality.

I’m sure that the wapo also failed to see what a random on lemmy sees so clearly…

Yeah, I’m definitely sure Jeff Bezo’s outlet is doing fair and accurate reporting too.

I wasn’t a rabid Bernie supporter, but honestly when contrasted with you it might seem it. I’m only interested in the truth and it rarely can be found in mainstream media, especially in regards to subjects like these. Your “sources” are opinion pieces.

From your “source”:

None of the thousands of leaked emails and documents show the DNC significantly influencing the results of the nomination.

It’s naive to assume that the emails revealed the whole story. The resignations of top DNC officials surrounding the primary shows the guilt - and it wasn’t just the DNC meddling. As evidenced by the DNC memo that was leaked, they definitely strong-armed the media to take Trump seriously; I wouldn’t be surprised if the smears and constant negative coverage of Bernie also came from them (if only in some part) with their bias towards Hillary on their sleeve.

I’m disengaging here - you are free to disagree with my perspective, just as I am going to disagree with your opinion pieces. I highly doubt I could convince somebody who takes liberal media as gospel.

My suggestion for you: think for yourself and consider all perspectives before forming beliefs.

Don’t believe your lived experience and lying eyes, Vox disagrees!

You do realize there are essentially no facts or good faith argumentation present throughout this paywalled abomination to support their premise and conclusion?

I thought this was going to be a bombshell that was going to rock my world, but that was just more smug gaslighting that doesn’t fairly address or even present almost any of the relevant context, facts, or arguments made by those paying attention.

Democracy certainly isn’t alive in the Democratic party and there’s no amount of partisan slop that can convince me otherwise.

This is just major debunked cope.

The top brass in the DNC literally resigned due to their actions behind closed doors in 2016. Inform yourself.

And at the same time, Hillary’s campaign and the DNC created Trump and elevated him to be a leader of the pack as a pied piper candidate, as confirmed by the verified, leaked emails from her campaign. They thought it would’ve been an easy win against him and even told the media to take him seriously. Cocky.

because a woman of colour is a bit too much.

Which is cope. She lost because she wasn’t real, among numerous other real reasons like only running on not being Trump and running on the same sweet-nothings as the prior administration + a few goodies that were lukewarm, at best.

Don’t make the mistake of thinking your niche is anywhere near the norm.

It’s not a mistake, I’m seeing through the propaganda that you are trying to spin as the one true reality… and a growing amount of Americans are seeing through it too.

News flash, media and partisan politics aren’t reflective of the actual reality and people are tuning out of that bullshit. The bullshit doesn’t get an overwhelming majority of Americans to come to the voting booths and that’s evidence enough for me.

She wasn’t portrayed that way at all, you understand that right?

Everybody knows that those on the far-right drip are trained to think everybody to the left of them (even a little bit) is a radical.

Liberal mainstream media did not portray her that way at all.

even a shitload of “centrists” (quotes because most have been captured by the magats without being aware) think she was radical.

You’re likely referring to old-school Republicans/conservatives, and they either didn’t vote (because they are disenfranchised) or voted Trump, yes. Some may have voted Kamala, but not as much as she might have hoped (given her strategy to shift right).

A significant amount of people don’t vote in this country and the Democrats aren’t interested in capturing that demographic, nor are they interested in capturing progressive or leftist voters.

…and because they aren’t trying to appeal to anyone besides people who absolutely cannot abide by Trump, they lost and will likely continue to lose in the big elections if they don’t run on something to attract voters.

E.g. Bernie.

Who never got a chance in a general election because he got ratfucked 2x in a row by the Democratic Party et. al.

The most milquetoast “radical” tested

Bernie is the lesser evil here - he’s milquetoast, but not as milquetoast as e.g. Kamala, Biden, and Obama are to their corporate donors.

Bernie was a good sport, but he has principles he stands by and that’s more than those folks could say now.

I couldn’t vote for Bernie Sanders in the 2020 primary because of Obama’s power play. Convincing effectively all candidates to drop out and endorse Biden was election interference.

Our voting system is already rigged and the person warning that Republicans are rigging the next election is responsible, in part.

This is a great example of “the left” being manipulated to turn on itself.

Yeah, Obama is dividing the left with another power play. People don’t want Newsom for a number of reasons. People want to vote for an actual leader who has principles.

would have any chance in hell of winning

…why do you believe that? Kamala was the opposite of radical and lost horribly to Trump.

If anything, it’s worth trying to run on something progressive or otherwise substantive, since running on status quo policies doesn’t seem to be working.

I always felt like when Amazon acquired The Expanse that it was likely Bezo’s fantasy to have an underclass of chronically ill, resource-starved people in space - to serve his interests and make him richer.

Glad to know I wasn’t off-base.

There are absolutely vote manipulation campaigns still happening.

See this from 12 days ago: https://old.reddit.com/r/privacy/comments/1nldj4m/why_are_we_all_just_accepting_metas_new_spy/?sort=old

12 days ago almost every top-level comment was below -50 and responses were untouched.