• n3m37h@sh.itjust.works
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    2 months ago

    Who cares in a few months Russia wont be able to fight because they will have no gas. This is all just a bluff because Putin knows the 3 day war can not be won now unless all other countries cut off supplies.

          • n3m37h@sh.itjust.works
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            1 month ago

            No shit…

            Oil refiners make lots of products, gas, diesel, kerosene (aviation gas)

            No refineries, none of these products, no vehicles to move troops no more war.

            Also no income to fund said war.

            Dumbass

            • ☆ Yσɠƚԋσʂ ☆@lemmy.ml
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              1 month ago

              If that was the way to win the war then Russia would’ve have won a long time ago because they’ve been attacking Ukrainian refineries all this time on a much bigger scale. The only dumbass in this conversation is the one who evidently hasn’t considered this obvious fact.

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              1 month ago

              No, the distinction is important. Russia mostly extracts petroleum and gas, and exports them. The processing happens in China or India. Then, the processed components, including petrol (gasoline), are resold by China and India.

              Now I’m sure Russia would rather their refineries not be attacked, and these disruptions could very well cause local shortages or price fluctuations. But for the wider economy or overall supply chains, this won’t matter much.

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                  1 month ago

                  He first graphic here proves you wrong

                  Look at the six categories in the graph. Only the dark red represents processed petroleum.

                  Why would anyone sell cheap crude then buy back expensive gas??

                  Right, why would any country export cheap raw materials and buy back expensive finished products? That could never happen, right? Surely the majority of the world’s countries aren’t doing it?

                  Why have refiners if youre exportibg crude?

                  Bunch of reasons: (1) for domestic use, (2) they can sell it for more, and (3) Russia had a great industrial sector back when it was part of the USSR, and some of that still survives.

                  But you are right that attacks on Russian refineries will reduce the processing that is happening within Russia. They will have to buy more products from China, etc. Hopefully this convinces their government to invest in industry, but based on what I’ve seen so far I’m not holding my breath on this.

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      2 months ago

      Lmao. Russia was supplying almost the entirety of Europe with cheap gas and suddenly they’re gonna just run out of it? Be fr.

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    1 month ago

    Putin’s regime is a couple years close of breaking up. They have no money left, sanctions are crushing them, their industry is dying, costs are rising for the citizens and they lack men on the battlefield. He is desperate to put an end to it.

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      1 month ago

      Dangerous beliefs part of the propaganda that West/Ukraine has been winning all along. Wages are very high in Russia, due to high military pay bonuses, and is massively increasing military production. Russia has enough troops and equipment to be gaining territory every week. Russia moved ahead of Germany and Japan to be 4th largest economy. All of this comes from western reporting.

      Just because there is always propaganda about how unconditional surrender of enemy is just mere weeks away, it is suicidal to believe any of it.